Curse

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 28, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Game imitates life...

In the real world, if you want someone to do something for you, you pay or otherwise provide a commodity in exchange for the services.
The overall market and demand determines what is a "reasonable" price as well as a person's reputation possibly commmanding higher fares.
Mercenaries are a perfect example.

However, in the real world, if someone deceives, dupes or defrauds you, legal action can be used to obtain recompense for otherwise criminal acts. In the case of "reputation," black marks will see that persons services no longer command premium fares.
Guild Wars has no such system - other than the "report" function.

If Life imitated Guild Wars in its current state, I would charge you to read this message, write any responses to it, as well as the right to view my signature.
In other words, it's gotten out of hand, and the time for justice is now.

For a perfect example of idiocy out of control, go to Beacon's Perch in the North Shiverpeaks and observe the "coyotes" working the "bunnies" there.

The common spam is to offer a "running service" to the forge south, for a typical fare of; 1k gp up front, 1k gp at the middle, and 1k at the end.
The problem is twofold:

1.) The people paying to go are typically in the 9-14 level range and have no business going to the forge. (other than to spend money obtained illegally from 3rd party sites) The creatures inbetween are all 22+ level.

2.) The "Coyotes" never had any intentions of bringing them there. They take the sucker's money and leave them to get slaughtered in the pass.

The common cry in Beacon's perch is "So and so scammed me!" As these same individuals continue unhindered, to ply their loathesome scam upon the legions of other brain-dead "bunnies" all scampering about looking for passage to this holy grail of uberleetness.

That these scum are ripping off and killing their "meal tickets" makes no difference - they still have plenty of stupid, clueless and otherwise mentally vacant clientele to prey upon.

So what, you say - let them dupe the suckers if they can?
Ask yourself, does this practice follow in the spirit of the game? And if so, in what way was this intended?
Perhaps... if it was called "Mafia Wars?"
Just a thought...

Talesin

gogoblender · Jun 28, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

lol, sounds like we need a sticky called very expensive lessons.

Because...once they pay that fee they won't pay it again...right?

Or I hope not!

gogo

Algren Cole · Jun 28, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by gogoblender

lol, sounds like we need a sticky called very expensive lessons.

Because...once they pay that fee they won't pay it again...right?

gogo

you'd be surprised how many people will get scammed over and over again....

Jwh6913 · Jun 28, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

a point- I've played through the game with 3 other alts, so I paid for a run to drok's for my lvl15 ranger, andI find I'm enjoying him a lot more than I did the other 2 that I didn't ascend yet, and I can make 5k in 2 hours.

I enjoyed the run because I also wanted to see how a person can manage to run such a long way through dangerous terriority filled with lvl 24 things that love to kill.

and I only paid him at Camp Rankor.

Mormegil · Jun 28, 2005, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Not true.

1- There are many people who actually do it without scamming you. Basing on what I've experienced, they're the majority. Maybe I'm lucky.

2- It's a good way to make money, IF you are honest and reliable.

3- It is indeed very useful, but only if thats the case of your second char. With the money you earned thanks to your first char, you can buy droknars armor and play easily most of the missions from beacons to the crystal desert.

I see nothing wrong in it, as long as it's not a scam.

gogoblender · Jun 28, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Hey guys!

@ Algren:

heh, sounds like it's gonna be a VERY long sticky with LOTS of different lessons all put together by our caring community!

gogo

Algren Cole · Jun 28, 2005, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

a point- I've played through the game with 3 other alts, so I paid for a run to drok's for my lvl15 ranger, andI find I'm enjoying him a lot more than I did the other 2 that I didn't ascend yet, and I can make 5k in 2 hours.

I enjoyed the run because I also wanted to see how a person can manage to run such a long way through dangerous terriority filled with lvl 24 things that love to kill.

Lightning Reflexes -> Sprint -> Storm Chaser -> Healing Spring

*repeat*

it's not that difficult

Shadowsting · Jun 28, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Here's the ways I see it as semi-okay:

1) Droknar rushers. Perfectly legit, going through Lornar's Pass isn't necessary, so it's just fine in my eyes. Actually, I'd apply that to other rushing services, like a Beacon's Perch to Gates of Kryta service, or Ascalon to Yak, etc.

2) Similar to the above, level 20's offering their service in exchange for money for low-level mission. Like someone who doesn't want to bother with, say Nolani, could hire a nuker to go through the front gates, and wipe out the charr in Rin quickly.

Not good: Monks requiring pay for their service in the ring of fire and S. Shiverpeaks.

Jwh6913 · Jun 28, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

Lightning Reflexes -> Sprint -> Storm Chaser -> Healing Spring

*repeat*

it's not that difficult

yeah true, but this were a w/mo

that type of runner is really good- he uses charge/sprint and he can weave in and out of the obstacles. he also used balanced stance

Night · Jun 28, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Not a game violation any more than trading goods in my opinion. What happens when someone scams you outta of that bow or sword? I don't hear calls for the banning of trading. Its a risk you take. If for some reason you just have to get that rush then so be it but don't come complaining if in fact you do get scammed.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 28, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

It is a bannable offense (just screenshot, report, and follow up with a little laugh.), same as casino's... it's actually the reason casino's were taken out with fists of glory. It's not the casino, but the scamming, and breaking of terms that is bad.

But, their reasoning for getting to the forge is to get the highest armor to fight in the ascalon arena with greater "ease"... making it quite annoying for all those that are new, and just think they suck at pvp... and therefore never want to try pvp again, because it "sucks" and isnt "balanced" in there mind...

I personaly think it would be an easy fix, the high armor can have a level requirement of 20... i dont know how easy that would be (no game designer here), but i dont imagine it would be too much trouble.

And if they're going there just to pass by and unlock some skills... i say, let em... because it's normaly just for pvp purposes (untill this new pvp unlock system comes out) and therefore, there probably wouldnt be any people going to the forge at low lvl, for any purpose (if the high armor gets a lvl restriction.)

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Originally Posted by Night

Not a game violation any more than trading goods in my opinion. What happens when someone scams you outta of that bow or sword? I don't hear calls for the banning of trading. Its a risk you take. If for some reason you just have to get that rush then so be it but don't come complaining if in fact you do get scammed.

That was stupid. Ahem. Scams you out, when you press the accept button? ya... anyhow, i would assume that your talking about items that are worth well over 100k, because that's the only sort of "problem" you can run into. And it's easy to by-pass. Simply buy some superior vigor runes, and set up the price with those. And even if so... when someone agree's to an accepted price, and simply runs off... it's our own responsibility to keep the screenshot button close, and handy...

It's more of a risk for the scammer... gee, is this person going to get me banned, or not?...

Mormegil · Jun 28, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

I personaly think it would be an easy fix, the high armor can have a level requirement of 20... i dont know how easy that would be (no game designer here), but i dont imagine it would be too much trouble.

Yes, but then they should change the name of the game as well, from Guild Wars to Grind Wars.

Taxis are good, playing the PvE as it was meant only once is enough.

Algren Cole · Jun 28, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

Yes, but then they should change the name of the game as well, from Guild Wars to Grind Wars.

Taxis are good, playing the PvE as it was meant only once is enough.

his point is that people are using the runs so that they can compete in the ascalon arena wearing level 20 armor....this would be INCREDIBLY unfair...he said nothing of people only doing it to skip the grind.....pay attention, it's annoying to see people respond to posts without having understood the posters point simply because they feel the need to justify an action they've taken in the game.

I have made the run to droknars....I went alone...I ran alone. I did not offer to take anyone and I never offered my service for a price. I simply wanted to see if I could make the run. I have taken the action of running to droknars...and I have no problem with people that want to make the run for the armor(other than the entire mentality/knowledge/skill of a player that get's rushed through the game ruins PUGs later on). But doing it so you can compete in the ascalon arena with lvl 20 armor(his original point)...is incredibly unfair.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 28, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

Yes, but then they should change the name of the game as well, from Guild Wars to Grind Wars.

Taxis are good, playing the PvE as it was meant only once is enough.

Who said you couldnt still run to the forge... it's not hard to get to lvl 20, in fact you can get it in reasonably 5 hours if you play.

I don't see what grind you're talking about... please explain.

Shadowsting · Jun 28, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

yes, that's true Algren.......But I'm rushing my ranger, not so she can compete with level 20 armor, but for skills, and just for fun, I guess....

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 28, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I have made the run to droknars....I went alone...I ran alone.

I was just told in another post by Epinephrenine that this is IMPOSSIBLE!

i.e.: If they can't do it, neither can you.
I can only surmise that both you and I "think" we did it, but in reality did not?

Of course, once I was at the ring of fire i realized this was silly...

Tal

Algren Cole · Jun 28, 2005, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Shadowsting

yes, that's true Algren.......But I'm rushing my ranger, not so she can compete with level 20 armor, but for skills, and just for fun, I guess....

I'm a strong advocate of the "people should be allowed to play however they wish" ideaology...if that's what you want to do then who am I to say how you should play your game. I was just pointing out that this happens...and that it happenes because people are able to get "runned" to droknars.

Talesin,

people don't believe what they can't see or do. I have a good set of skills for running. Storm Chaser, Healing Spring to heal myself, Sprint, Lightning Reflexes to dodge....it's very much possible to run their alone...and even more possible to fight your way there if you approach it logically and carefully.

Es Onizuka · Jun 28, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

There should be a system where you start off with 10 points (for example) and if you scam someone, they can take off a point, or if you really do bring them there, they can add a point. To prevent someone from taking off a point even though they got to their destination, maybe there can be a "check" system. If they did make it to where they wanted, then the person can only add a point. What do you think?

GW Monkey · Jun 28, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

I enjoyed the run because I also wanted to see how a person can manage to run such a long way through dangerous terriority filled with lvl 24 things that love to kill.

He was a noob, then. Any serious rusher bots, just like the farming bots. Even more predictable pathing because you always exit a town portal in the same place, whereas map travel to a town can deposit you in a different place. And, he doesn't even need to record his own run to play back; there's tons of downloadable ones from the same place he downloaded the bot. They advertise as a badge of bragging rights... "DROK RUN W/ 4 chest lootz"

While AN can't ban these dirtbags, we as players can just ignore anyone from Droknar's on who isn't 20th... don't team with them, don't talk to them, pretend they don't exist. Well, it's a thought anyway. There's enough of them these days that they can form their own damn groups. Guilds are no better though, they started it by rushing lower level guildies through manually. Now look at the aftermath.

Navaros · Jun 28, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

actually there is a 100% legitimate reason to go to Droknar's before you're "supposed" to

that is because your so-called "mirror" is not really a mirror at all. he has way, way, better armor than you if you don't have at least the Oasis armor. hence, you have to spend a lot of money and resources on worthless pieces of armor just to kill your mirror one time, and then flush that armor down the drain a short while later.

which of course, is total bogus

so until they make your "mirror" actually be a mirror of you, then Droknar's running makes all the sense in the world